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标题: 证明！所谓０９年变２泄露剧本其实是伪造　－》变迷必读此帖 [打印本页]

作者: 就是喜欢第一代 时间: 2008-1-10 03:49
标题: 证明！所谓０９年变２泄露剧本其实是伪造　－》变迷必读此帖
写在前面 ->

我今日震惊的发现有位叫　“Keen" 的人竟然号称是翻译，然后原封不动地将我去年１０月份翻译并发表在变盟论坛上的１３页的所谓网上泄露变２真人电影剧本里的一些东西搬到　“四川新闻网--成都晚报讯上”，并造谣放风说这就是０９年变形金刚２的确切剧情。

（我的原文：“谣传中２００９年变形金刚２泄露剧本的部分中文翻译，好故事！”系列的链接：http://club.tfclub.com/viewthread.php?tid=15215&fpage=7

侵权是小事，但误导读者是大事：　因为我１０月翻译的剧本最后被权威鉴定为伪作，而且其原作者也在１０月上旬出来道歉了。

我在把　“谣传中２００９年变形金刚２泄露剧本的部分中文翻译，好故事！(3) 结束”帖子上传到变盟“第七区（SECTOR-SEVEN)_07剧场版专区”的第二天就在网上找到了原作者的道歉文，但由于当时情绪的落差，我没把及时地把道歉文的原文翻译成中文，只是在变盟自己的“......好故事！（３）结束”帖子的跟贴里对此事作了简单的说明同时也加上了道歉文英文的原处链接。

然后今天有听到网友讲这篇伪剧本早已在国内互联网上传开。

我为我的梳忽在这里向所有的变迷们道歉。
刚才我已把原作者的道歉文翻译出来，请阅读，同时请不要相信那个所谓１３页的泄露变２剧本。

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原道歉文出处:

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?op ... =3463&Itemid=81

译文:

所谓的真人电影《变形金刚２》１３页泄露剧本出处终被发现

原文：　　Robert Sanchez

翻译：　　Timothy CUI (tfclub.com ID: 就是喜欢第一代）

原文作于：２００７年１０月１１日，　周四。

这周，IESB 网终于找到了互联网上盛传的所谓泄露剧本的背后真像。

这段时间，网络被一个断定为泄露的变２真人电影的剧本吵的沸扬。剧本写的很好，它包含了很多让变形金刚迷们垂湮三尺的内容，接着MichaelBay.com(迈克.贝)的版主内尔森（Nelson)也添油加醋的暗喻此剧本是出之某好莱坞编剧之手而绝非变迷伪造。

然后关于谁是原作者的猜想展开了。

这么棒的剧本究竟是谁写的呢？很多人，包括我自己（Robert Sanchez)也认为这是出之于艾伦-克鲁戈　(Ehren Kruger  注: 现为变２的编剧之一，但当是还不是），是他当时为了争取到变２的编剧权而写的一个预稿。

到底是不是艾伦-克鲁戈的作品呢？　

不是！

是不是奥西（Orci）或克滋门（Kurtzman. 注：现变２的另外两位编剧）写的呢？

也不是！

那是不是某好莱坞编剧提交的正式剧本呢？

也是, 也不是。

事实上，它是两个非官方但有一点好莱坞后门关系的作家毛遂自鉴的作品。

昨晚这两人联系上了我，希望借机清除变迷们的疑虑。

下面是他俩写的道歉文的电子邮件，为保护隐私，作者和一些相关人士的名字省去()。

---邮件开始

我们是两位没中介代理但和（）有关系的作家，我们惟一的目的是使迈克尔.贝的人看到我俩的作品。我们的剧本和其它制作单位没有任何正式的联系，在这件事被搞砸之前，任何变２电影制作的有关人士都未阅读过这个剧本。而脚本编写者在我们能搞到合同之前却已经给定下来了。缺乏中介代理的作家要达到这个目的需克服的困难太多了。

对此事件为甚么会发生, 我们最好地推测是：有人从（）那拿到了原剧本的PDF文件, 修改后传阅，然后在周六或周日上传（很明显，和剧本第一次在网上被发现的时间吻和）。即使我们刚开始只想把剧本放到网上某个不起眼的角落，但很明显，现在在我们看来这是不奏效的。我常使用（)论坛（（）和我以前学校同名）来写评论和一些我在洛杉矶的经历。

虽然剧本被雪藏，我们还是被网上大数量的好评奉承了。但要再提一次，这剧本既未被剧组当权者采用也未被读到。我俩希望能通过IESB网络让更多的变迷知道这一点。变２制作单位的权益应被保障，变２故事和情节的创作也不应该被这些错误的消息所干扰。补充一点，我们希望大家能够明白：我俩不仅对此事件感到不安，而且对事件搞的这么大也是始料不及的。它的不良影响波及到了不只是广大的变迷，而且还有变２的制作工程（特别是对制作人丹摩菲本人（Don Murphy))。我俩对此事造成的危害深表歉意。

---邮件结束

作家向IESB网提供了原始未被涂改的剧本的PDF文件。上面有足够的证据来证明剧本的确是两人所写。

现在你们都明白了所谓泄露的剧本并不是官方的！

我们唯一希望的是真正的变２电影能如同这个剧本所表现地一样宏伟和史诗化。对那两位作者的忠告：为自己找个中介代理因为你俩的文采和对变形金刚精髓的理解实在是太绝了！

《译文终》

译者:  Timothy CUI  a.k.a. "就是喜欢第一代"　翻译于２００８年１月９日晚于墨尔本，澳大利亚。　

原文：

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?op ... =3463&Itemid=81

Origin of Leaked Transformers 2 Treatment Revealed!

Written by Robert Sanchez
Thursday, 11 October 2007

The IESB has gotten the details behind the leaked Transformers 2 treatment that has been circulating around?the web this week.

The internet has been buzzing over the alleged leaked treatment for Transformers 2 and for good reason, it was damn good. It had plenty of elements that fan boys are drooling over and then the webmaster from MichaelBay.com, Nelson, chimes in by alluding that it was not fan fiction but instead a treatment that had been submitted by a Hollywood writer(s).

This began the speculation over who the writer was. Who had submitted this totally awesome treatment? Some, including myself, thought that it might have been something that Ehren Kruger used to get his new gig as the third writer for Transformers 2.

So was it Ehren Kruger? Nope. So was it Orci or Kurtzman? Nope.?Was a Hollywood screenwriter?just submitting a treatment? Yes and no. It was actually a pitch/treatment that was submitted by a couple of unsigned writers that have some Hollywood ties.

Last night I was contacted by the pair who really wanted to clear up any confusion that fans may have.

We have edited the following email to protect the writers’ identities -

Begin Email

We are two unrepresented writers with links to [edited]. While we did intend to have Bay's people read the treatment, in no way is our treatment officially linked with the studios or either camp. Prior to this whole debacle, no one associated with the movie had read our treatment. They signed off on a writer before we could get it in the hands of our contacts. Not to mention, the legal tape we would have had to get through was an additional issue as unrepresented writers.

As best we can figure, someone took the pdf file of the original treatment from [edited], doctored it, then tried to pass it off as some kind of scoop, posting it either on Saturday or Sunday (when the leaked treatment first appeared, apparently). Though we initially posted the treatment in what we thought was an obscure corner of the internet, it's obvious to us now that there is no such thing. [edited] is a forum I post on quite regularly ([edited] is where I went to school), writing reviews and sometimes posting about my experiences in LA.

While we are flattered by the overwhelmingly positive reaction the treatment itself has garnered, again, it was by no means ever considered by the powers that be as a viable option, nor read by them either. We just want that made clear to as many people as IESB can reach. The rights of the studio need to be protected, and the production deserves to progress without false perceptions of their actual plot/story. In addition, we ask that it be made clear that we are not only agitated, but dumbfounded by this whole phenomenon and apologize for any inconvenience it must have caused not only the fans, but those involved with the project as well (especially for Don Murphy...wow).

End of Email

The writing duo supplied the IESB with the original unmarked pdf and have given enough information to confirm that treatment is indeed theirs.

So there you have it, the leaked Transformers 2 treatment is not official.

We can only hope that that real story for Transformers 2 is just a big and epic as this one was. Advice to two original writers, get an agent because your writing and understanding of this genre appears to be top notch.

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附录１.

变１，变２电影制作人丹摩菲（Don Murphy)０７年１０月７日在他个人的留言版上对此事件的最后回应：

http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=22665&page=3

So in summary

1- Some idiot posted some stupid story
2- Apparently it was good.
3- It thankfully wasn't real, because, well writers don't start writing till deals are done and they aren't.
4- Not one single person/fan/stooge/alleged friend alerted me to the situation which, HAD it been real would have been bad for the film, not to mention illegal.
5- Two Jackoffs, Phoenix.Prime and Mainframe III decided they wanted to be banned for defending assholic actions.
6- I am done with the subject and have to go make eggs for a friend who is staying with us.

O U T
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And the Angel said unto them, "In Nazareth a Stooge is born who Will in time become King of The Internets"

译文：

丹摩菲：总结

１－　某白痴上传了一个蠢故事；

２－　故事明显写的不错；

３－　庆幸的是故事不是真的，因为编剧不会在签约之前开始写脚本，(当时)他们还未签约；

４－　竟然没有一个人／变迷／坛友／自想当然的朋友来警告我：　如果这剧本是真的，对电影可能是个灾难，还先不说它的不合法性；

５－　Phoenix. Prime 和 Mainframe III 这两个蠢货准备为他们的混蛋行径被禁言；（丹不知道　Prime 与　Mainframe 其实是同一个人在用两个论坛马甲。此人因为刚刚坚持说“泄露剧本”写的好而和丹摩菲干了起来）；

６－　这件事我就这样定论了，我要为个朋友炒鸡蛋去。

闪！

附录２.　

我于０７年１１月１０日在丹摩菲的留言版上对此事件的询问和得到的答复

http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=23166

Originally Posted by DieHardG1Fan

..."There's one out that's fake right now. There are going to be many others."...

Does Bay refer "one" here to the recent Leaked 13 pages Transformers 2 Treatment?

Thankheaven： Probably, that is a confirmed fake, even Don said so.

译文：

我问：“（引用：迈克尔.贝讲：...当前已经有一个假剧本在外边了，还将会有更多的假剧本出来。”...)　贝在这提及的　‘一个’　是不是指这段时间的　‘１３页泄露的变２剧本’　？

Thankheaven 回复：　可能。那个是已被确认了的假货，即使丹摩菲也是这样讲。

(Thankheaven 是留言版一位资深坛友)

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为了减少错误信息的危害，请将以上内容在网上传播。

谢谢。

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作者: primalgee90220 时间: 2008-1-10 04:54
同情LZ，情况已了解～请消消气儿

作者: HALLELUYAH 时间: 2008-1-10 11:00
。。。。。。LZ说得很清楚了，了解

作者: arvin_cjd 时间: 2008-1-10 11:00
LZ别因为这样的人做出这样低劣的事情而太上火
大家都看着他呢
相信会有个说法给你的

大家也会力顶你的...

作者: Jaguar 时间: 2008-1-10 11:26
不管是真是假　ＬＺ辛苦为我们翻译的情我们领了

作者: 就是喜欢第一代 时间: 2008-1-10 16:03

Originally posted by arvin_cjd at 2008-1-10 13:00:
LZ别因为这样的人做出这样低劣的事情而太上火
大家都看着他呢
相信会有个说法给你的

大家也会力顶你的...

我一点都不反对转载，对那个甚么“Keen" 冒名顶替的事也已经发过火了。
我只是不喜欢有人在我的翻译上想当然的借题发挥，如试图有意识的节选和改写让读者认为０９年的电影就是这样。因为从变２制作人的反馈看来，电影根本就不会这么拍。那么这些人的作法不是想误导读者就是为自己喧哗取宠。这是错误的。

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作者: HIGASHILIN 时间: 2008-1-10 23:10
LZ，偶们TFC的同仁会支持你的。

作者: DeepMatel 时间: 2008-1-11 19:11
提示: 作者被禁止或删除内容自动屏蔽

作者: hayr 时间: 2008-1-19 17:57
好，支持。

作者: reynol 时间: 2008-1-23 14:34
LZ的帖子很规范, 原文翻译都有,谢谢

作者: 领袖擎 时间: 2008-2-1 23:05
楼主不用抱歉，其实我们也不会生气。为我们翻译了那嘛多，还来不及感谢呢。（好险是假的，不然看TF1的小屁孩一定很伤心－OP重伤。）

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