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作者: flash2 时间: 2006-7-3 13:01
标题: 关于通天晓的一些资料
http://www.mipang.com/spaces/1363@/blog/398.9807e57d76/

维基百科通天晓词条关于inner robot的部?
沙漠之狐文章关于赛伯特恩
2006-05-16 11:53:18
国内的兄弟看维基有困难，特摘抄如下。

首先提到通天晓可能是擎天柱由钛师傅改装之前一起玩耍工作的好兄弟Dion

It is speculated that Ultra Magnus may have formerly been Dion, the best friend of worker robot Orion Pax, who was himself rebuilt into Optimus Prime by the ancient Autobot, Alpha Trion. Their apparent longstanding relationship, plus the similarity of Prime to Magnus's inner robot, would seem to support this idea, but it was never officially touched upon. (It is worth noting that the Autobot Ironhide is also believed by some to have once been Dion.)

引一段“擎天柱”词条里相关描述：

There's strong evidence Dion would later become Ultra Magnus. Hence his similar design to Optimus Prime as well as Prime's referral to him as old friend right before he passes in Transformers The Movie.

第二点就是通天晓在头领战士里去世时怪异之处：

Strangely, when Ultra Magnus died, his body did not turn white/grey, like all other Transformers who had died in the past (including those in the Headmasters series). One could again bring up the concept of his inner robot form, suggesting that it could have turned grey, while the outer body around it did not.

最后最后，Dreamwave Comics漫画顺水推舟，把前两点结合起来，满足TFans猜想。这里插图就是前面有人贴过的“通天晓脱衣图”

Dreamwave Productions' 21st century re-imagining of the G1 universe took the opportunity to indulge two contentious aspects of Ultra Magnus previously resigned to fan speculation: here, he was indeed proven to have formerly been Dion, and his white inner robot appeared without his blue/red outer body, due to his relationship to Optimus Prime - his "brother".

Following the disappearance of Optimus Prime and Megatron's troops four million years ago, Ultra Magnus and Fortress Maximus took fluctuating joint leadership of the Autobots, until Maximus abandoned the war. 100,000 years later, the Transformers, their war, and the entire planet of Cybertron itself ground to a halt when the world's energy supplies completely ran out, sending Cybertron into a period of reconstructive hibernation, during which the entire population was sent into stasis.

Three thousand years ago, Shockwave was the first Transformer to be reactivated, and set about restoring the planet and its populace, quietly working towards his own sinister ends. Successfully unifying the Autobot and Decepticon factions, he appointed Ultra Magnus as his second-in-command, who led the attack on the Ark when they travelled to Earth and arrested Optimus Prime and Megatron as war criminals. When Optimus Prime then led a rebel attack on Iacon, Shockwave turned on Magnus, apparently deactivating him. Ultra Magnus survived, however, and his inner robot emerged from his damaged larger form, teaming with Prime to stop Shockwave's plan to use the Matrix to access Vector Sigma.

Ultra Magnus came away from the encounter with less damage than Prime, and soon had his systems repaired. Dreamwave's bankruptcy and subsequent closure, however, meant that any further stories of Ultra Magnus went untold.

此外，在Robot In Disguise以及后续的A,E,和C系列里还提到一些和擎天柱的关系，比如合体组成Omega Prime什么的，考虑到这都是发生在跟G1平行的宇宙，就不引用了。

另，这个条目还提到通天晓玩具的历史，上来就提到inner robot

Ultra Magnus's toy consists of a smaller robot, identical to Optimus Prime but with a mostly white colouration, which acts as the cab of the car carrier and combines with the trailer to form the familiar Ultra Magnus as depicted in the cartoon and comics. The white "inner robot" would not appear in official fiction until the publication of the Dreamwave comics. Like many previous Tranformers toys, the Ultra Magnus toy was a carry-over from the Japanese Diaclone line, where was released in silver, red and black colors as "Powered Convoy," a powered-up version of "Battle Convoy," the toy which had become Optimus Prime, hence the identical cabs. Additionally, the Diaclone toy's instructions included several more alternate modes the toy could be configured into, which were omitted from Ultra Magnus's instructions. It is worth noting that Powered Convoy's original colors may have at one point been intended to be kept for the Ultra Magnus character - an early promotional film advertising Transformers: The Movie features Ultra Magnus animated in these hues. In line with this, when the original Ultra Magnus toy was re-issued in Japan in 2000, a limited-edition version in the Diaclone colors was also released, referred to as a "Movie Edition." A third version also saw release, cast entirely in translucent yellow, intended to represent the moment that Magnus is caught in the light of the Matrix.

最后讲DW正式引入inner robot后引发的重漆擎天柱玩具的浪潮，特别提到MP02

Dreamwave Productions' pioneering use of the original Magnus's white inner robot caused a small explosion of uses of the form, as several Optimus Prime products were repaints white and re-released as Ultra Magnus, including the deluxe Armada Prime toy in Transformers: Universe and Pallisades' Optimus Prime statue. The effect was also felt in Japan, where the "Smallest Transformers" Prime figure received a white coat, and most notably, the 20th Anniversay/Masterpiece Optimus Prime was redecoed and released as Ultra Magnus. 2006's upcoming reissue of the 1995 Laser Optimus Prime toy will also see an Ultra Magnus-style repaint, available exclusively through online retailer, e-Hobby.

作者: flash2 时间: 2006-7-3 13:01
希望有人翻一下

作者: 漢 时间: 2006-7-4 14:26
我翻譯的:

據推測，通天曉的前身可能是機器工人奧立安．派克斯最好的朋友戴安。奧立安自身也被改造成了擎天柱，這都是汽車人老前輩鈦師父的功勞。他們倆明顯是長期交往的老朋友，而且車頭的機器人型態都十分相似，這些都似乎是該推測的證據，但是官方從未提到這一點。（值得一提的是也有人相信汽車人鐵皮的前身是戴安。）

引一段“擎天柱”詞條裡相關描述：
很可靠的證據表明戴安後來成為了通天曉。因此他的設計和擎天柱十分相似，而且在劇場版裡，擎天柱臨終前推舉他的老朋友通天曉作為汽車人領袖。

第二點就是通天曉在頭領戰士裡去世時怪異之處：
奇怪的是，當通天曉去世時，他的身體並沒有像其他死去的變形金剛那樣（包括頭領戰士系列中），變成白色或灰色。這個疑點再次使人們聯想到通天曉內部（車頭）的機器人型態，他可能已經變成灰色，但外面的護甲卻沒有。

最後最後，Dreamwave Comics漫畫順水推舟，把前兩點結合起來，滿足TFans猜想。這裡插圖就是前面有人貼過的“通天曉脫衣圖”（老兄，冇得圖啊！）

Dreamwave在21世紀以G1系列為原型，重新構思的產品抓住了這個機會，縱容了以前迷友所推測通天曉的兩個有爭議的方面：這裡，他被確切地證明是由戴安改造的，並且他內部的白色機器人型態也單獨出現了，這歸於他和擎天柱大哥的親密關係──他們是“兄弟”。

接下來，也就是四百萬年以前，擎天柱和威震天的部隊消失（墜落到地球）之後，通天曉和巨無霸福特共同組成了一個動搖的汽車人領導階層，直到通天曉退出了戰爭。十萬年過去了，變形金剛們，他們的戰爭，以及整個電子星都被迫停止了，因為那時整個星球的能源都消耗完了。電子星進入了重建中的冬眠期，再這個時期，變形金剛的人口增長也停滯了。

距今三千年以前，震蕩波成為了第一個甦醒的變形金剛，然後他開始著手復原電子星和星球上的居民，同時也悄悄地進行著他的罪惡計畫。當他成功的統一了汽車人和霸天虎兩派之後，他指定通天曉作為他的副指揮官，然後在他們飛往地球時，令他指揮攻擊了方舟號飛船，並以戰犯罪逮捕了擎天柱和威震天。接著，當擎天柱在Iacon發動反攻的時候，震蕩波啟動了通天曉，顯然讓他失效了。但是通天曉倖存了下來，而且他內部的機器人從他損壞的護甲中出現了。然後通天曉與擎天柱聯手阻止了震蕩波利用能源寶訪問魔力神球數據的企圖。（匪夷所思）

通天曉負傷離開了戰鬥，然後很快修復了他的系統，擎天柱則負傷較重。但是Dreamwave倒閉後，接下來的劇情就沒有了，這意味著通天曉接下來的故事無從知曉了。

此外，在Robot In Disguise以及後續的A, E, 和C系列裡還提到一些和擎天柱的關係，比如合體組成Omega Prime甚麼的，考慮到這都是發生在跟G1平行的宇宙，就不引用了。

另，這個條目還提到通天曉玩具的歷史，上來就提到inner robot

通天曉的玩具中包含了一個較小的機器人，除了顏色是白的以外跟擎天柱一模一樣，變形為拖車的車頭並且和車廂連接起來，構成了大家熟悉的通天曉在卡通和漫畫中描述的車輛型態。在Dreamwave漫畫以前，內部的白色機器人從未在官方劇情中出現。就像以前的許多變形金剛玩具，通天曉的玩具是日本Diaclone系列所遺留下來的，最初的形象是銀色、紅色和黑色，帶同樣車廂的“強力柯伯文”，是“戰鬥柯伯文”（擎天柱的原型）的增強型態。此外，Diaclone的玩具說明書還含有其他幾個玩具可以變成的模式，但是在通天曉的說明書中省略掉了。值得一題的是，“強力柯伯文”的原色可能只有一次出現在通天曉身上，就是劇場版前期的預告片中。短片中的通天曉的顏色與原型一樣。為與這一點相符合，當2000年原版通天曉玩具被日本復刻的時候，保持Diaclone色調的限量版也以“劇場版”的名義發行了。另外，為了表現通天曉被能源寶的光芒所籠罩的形象，第三個版本，半透明的黃色版也發行了。

最後講DW正式引入inner robot後引發的重漆擎天柱玩具的浪潮，特別提到MP02

Dreamwave的產品為後來以內部的白色機器人為原型製造玩具開了先河，好幾款擎天柱玩具都被重涂成白色，然後以通天曉的名字再次發行，包括雷霆艦隊中豪華的擎天柱造型、Universe以及Pallisade的擎天柱形象（我還冇見過，哪位告訴我？）。日本也感受到這個效果，在那裡“極小變形”系列的擎天柱也被涂成了白色。而且最顯著的二十週年擎天柱也被重涂成通天曉發行。2006年即將來臨的復刻1995版戰鬥擎天柱也會以通天曉的形式重涂（幾個月都不更新消息），並僅在e-Hobby上在線銷售。

[ Last edited by 漢 on 2006-7-9 at 21:02 ]

作者: flash2 时间: 2006-7-5 12:17
非常感谢！！！

作者: 机动擎天柱攻型 时间: 2006-7-9 17:23
繁体看的真累啊.................还有几个错别字......................不过还是很感谢

作者: 漢 时间: 2006-7-9 21:04
輸入法的原因，我改了一點。另外還有些東西我也不知道是甚麽來歷，比如Universe and Pallisades' Optimus Prime

作者: 皇者之剑 时间: 2006-7-9 22:14
Transformers: Universe
这两个单词合起来看，指宇宙系列TF玩具。

Pallisades' Optimus Prime

Pallisade公司生产的Optimus Prime塑像。

作者: 人狼 时间: 2006-7-9 22:20
也许那个超,被推测的マグナス以前是日连接(工人机器奥利安Pax的亲密的朋友),并且被在Optimus Prime古代的Autobot(Alpha Trion.)重新制作他自己了的他们的外表的长年的关系加上到マグナス的内部的机器的Prime的类似的特征,好象支持这个思想,但是那个没被绝对正式触。(那个值得注意是否Autobot Ironhide被几岁是被有以前是日连接感觉对的点数。)

作者: 人狼 时间: 2006-7-9 22:22
日连接以后发生的事强大的证明在的ウルトラマグナス。在他在为此送交Transformers The Movie之前他到Optimus Prime的相似式样作为旧友权利与Prime同样是到他的介绍。

作者: 人狼 时间: 2006-7-9 22:23
决定感到奇怪,并且超,マグナス(身体使没变得白色在/灰色的他的东西)喜欢所有其他的在死于了的过去死于了的(在Headmasters系列包括那些)Transformers,并且请做。当外面每那个的东西的身体不那么办的时候,人暗示那个能变成了灰色的事,能再给了他的内部的机器形式的概念。

作者: 皇者之剑 时间: 2006-7-9 22:49
人狼，你的热情我理解，但使用翻译软件是达不到好的效果的。请不要再发了。

谢谢。

作者: tywddd 时间: 2006-7-10 23:02
晕,各位研究的真透彻啊

作者: 华丽King 时间: 2006-9-26 13:56
标题: 戴、戴安……
在日本版的DW《G1第2部：战争与和平》里边，震荡波和母星通讯时，其部下曾经明确地有一句台词向他报告“戴安警备队有联络”，然后和他通话的便是通天晓……后来在美版中也查到了这句台词“commander,incoming signal from securty team dion”，因此，这应该可以看做作者布拉德米克在暗示通天晓原先的身份。

不过话说回来，擎天柱前身奥里安派克斯的官方玩具是用杯子改的……但搭配发售的戴安的玩具竟是拿转轮改的……还真弱啊

作者: flash2 时间: 2006-9-26 19:44

Originally posted by 华丽King at 2006-9-26 13:56:
在日本版的DW《G1第2部：战争与和平》里边，震荡波和母星通讯时，其部下曾经明确地有一句台词向他报告“戴安警备队有联络”，然后和他通话的便是通天晓……后来在美版中也查到了这句台词“commander,incoming sig ...

日本版的DW？？？不是外国人画的吗？我认为通不是dion，只不过是官方在搅浑水，因为迷友们一直在猜。

作者: 皇者之剑 时间: 2006-9-26 21:13
“日本版的DW”就是授权发行的DW漫画日语翻译版。

作者: 华丽King 时间: 2006-9-26 21:16
汗，怪我没说清楚，因为我早先看的是日版，后来才看到米国版，所以说顺嘴了~

作者: 上帝死了 时间: 2006-10-1 23:48

Originally posted by flash2 at 2006-9-26 19:44:

日本版的DW？？？不是外国人画的吗？我认为通不是dion，只不过是官方在搅浑水，因为迷友们一直在猜。

非常奇异的话~~日本人不是外国人吗?(和主题无关)

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