请教剧集顺序的问题

冰雪饿狼 · 发表于 2006-7-25 23:37:59

在http://www.tfclub.com/tffiles/ca ... rs/200212280003.htm的剧集列表中，44～46集是这个顺序
44 Child's Play 巨人国/奇遇
45 Quest For Surviva 食人株
46 The Secret of Omega Supreme 大力金刚的秘密
而在千鹤那套D9铁盒装中是这个顺序
44 Quest For Surviva 食人株
45 The Secret of Omega Supreme 大力金刚的秘密
46 Child's Play 巨人国奇遇
请行家帮忙回答到底哪个是正确的？

另外有几集的顺序明显错误，似乎是当年上译就给弄错了的，比方说最明显的：
58 Aerial Assault 飞机窃贼中出现了战车队，而众所周知战车队是在 62 Starscream's Brigade 红蜘蛛叛变中首次登场，明显前后颠倒，个人感觉58和 64 Masquerade 深入虎穴互换一下倒是挺合适
所以想问一问，98集当年在美国播出时正确的播出顺序是什么？

还有当年在日本播出时被删除的是哪两集？谢谢

[ Last edited by 冰雪饿狼 on 2006-7-25 at 23:40 ]

xuxing · 发表于 2006-7-26 20:21:08

千鹤的D9本来就错的

冰雪饿狼 · 发表于 2006-7-28 18:09:53

求教！请专业人士帮忙看看这贴

冰雪饿狼 · 发表于 2006-7-31 21:02:23

怎么还没有回答呀？拜托帮帮忙呀

皇者之剑 · 发表于 2006-8-2 04:40:53

变形金刚经典98集的剧集顺序有众多版本。每一种版本，只要是有所依据，都不能武断地说是错误的。

TFclub主站上的绝大多数动画以及人物资料都是翻译自美国知名TF网站上的英文资料。在美国的TF网站上，主要有两种剧集顺序流传较为广泛。其一是美国TF迷友搜集到的剧集制作顺序。TFclub网页上的剧集顺序就是以此为根本。

内容如下：
Production Order

1 More Than Meets the Eye Part 1
2 More Than Meets the Eye Part 2
3 More Than Meets the Eye Part 3
4 Transport to Oblivion
5 Roll For It
6 Divide and Conquer
7 Fire in the Sky
8 SOS Dinobots
9 Fire on the Mountain
10 War of the Dinobots
11 The Ultimate Doom Part 1
12 The Ultimate Doom Part 2
13 The Ultimate Doom Part 3
14 Countdown to Extinction
15 A Plague of Insecticons
16 Heavy Metal War

17 Autobot Spike
18 Changing Gears
19 City of Steel
20 Attack of the Autobots
21 Traitor
22 The Immobilizer
23 The Autobot Run
24 Atlantis Arise
25 Day of the Machines
26 Enter the Nightbird
27 A Prime Problem
28 The Core
29 The Insecticon Syndrome
30 Dinobot Island Part 1
31 Dinobot Island Part 2
32 The Master Builders
33 Auto Berserk
34 Microbots
35 Megatron's Master Plan Part 1
36 Megatron's Master Plan Part 2
37 Desertion of the Dinobots Part 1
38 Desertion of the Dinobots Part 2
39 Blaster Blues
40 A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court
41 The Golden Lagoon
42 The God Gambit
43 Make Tracks
44 Child's Play
45 Quest For Survival
46 The Secret of Omega Supreme
47 The Gambler
48 Kremzeek!
49 Sea Change
50 Triple Takeover
51 Prime Target
52 Auto-Bop
53 The Search for Alpha Trion
54 The Girl Who Loved Powerglide
55 Hoist Goes Hollywood
56 The Key to Vector Sigma Part 1
57 The Key to Vector Sigma Part 2
58 Aerial Assault
59 War Dawn
60 Trans-Europe Express
61 Cosmic Rust
62 Starscream's Brigade
63 The Revenge of Bruticus
64 Masquerade
65 B.O.T.

66 Five Faces of Darkness Part 1
67 Five Faces of Darkness Part 2
68 Five Faces of Darkness Part 3
69 Five Faces of Darkness Part 4
70 Five Faces of Darkness Part 5
71 The Killing Jar
72 Chaos
73 Dark Awakening
74 Forever is a Long Time Coming
75 Starscream's Ghost
76 Thief in the Night
77 Surprise Party
78 Madman's Paradise
79 Nightmare Planet
80 Ghost in the Machine
81 Web World
82 Carnage in C-Minor
83 The Quintesson Journal
84 The Ultimate Weapon
85 The Big Broadcast of 2006
86 Fight or Flee
87 The Dweller in the Depths
88 Only Human
89 Money is Everything
90 Grimlock's New Brain
91 Call of the Primitives
92 Face of the Nijika
93 The Burden Hardest to Bear
94 The Return of Optimus Prime Part 1
95 The Return of Optimus Prime Part 2

96 Rebirth Part 1
97 Rebirth Part 2
98 Rebirth Part 3

所以

44 Child's Play  巨人国/奇遇
45 Quest For Surviva 食人株
46 The Secret of Omega Supreme 大力金刚的秘密

就是这么得来的。

皇者之剑 · 发表于 2006-8-2 04:56:17

美国TF网站上的第二种顺序就是剧集在美国实际播映的顺序。

内容如下：

Episode Number Episode Title Airdate
01 More Than Meets the Eye (Part 1) September 17, 1984
02 More Than Meets the Eye (Part 2) September 18, 1984
03 More Than Meets the Eye (Part 3) September 19, 1984
04 Transport to Oblivion October 6, 1984
05 Roll For It October 13, 1984
06 Divide and Conquer October 20, 1984
07 S.O.S. Dinobots October 27, 1984
08 The Ultimate Doom (Part 1): Brainwash November 3, 1984
09 The Ultimate Doom (Part 2): Search November 10, 1984
10 The Ultimate Doom (Part 3): Revival November 17, 1984
11 War of the Dinobots November 24, 1984
12 Countdown to Extinction December 1, 1984
13 Fire In the Sky December 8, 1984
14 Heavy Metal War December 15, 1984
15 Fire On the Mountain December 22, 1984
16 A Plaque of Insecticons December 29, 1984

Season 2 (1985)
Episode Number Title Airdate
17 Autobot Spike September 23, 1985
18 The Immobilizer September 24, 1985
19 Dinobot Island (Part 1) September 25, 1985
20 Dinobot Island (Part 2) September 26, 1985
21 Traitor September 27, 1985
22 Enter the Nightbird September 30, 1985
23 Changing Gears October 1, 1985
24 A Prime Problem October 2, 1985
25 Atlantis, Arise! October 3, 1985
26 Attack of the Autobots October 4, 1985
27 Microbots October 7, 1985
28 The Master Builders October 8, 1985
29 The Insecticon Syndrome October 9, 1985
30 Day of the Machines October 10, 1985
31 Megatron's Master Plan (Part 1) October 14, 1985
32 Megatron's Master Plan (Part 2) October 15, 1985
33 Auto Berserk October 16, 1985
34 City of Steel October 17, 1985
35 Desertion of the Dinobots (Part 1) October 21, 1985
36 Desertion of the Dinobots (Part 2) October 22, 1985
37 Blaster Blues October 23, 1985
38 A Depecticon Raider In King Arthur's Court October 24, 1985
39 The God Gambit October 28, 1985
40 The Core October 29, 1985
41 Make Tracks October 30, 1985
42 The Autobot Run October 31, 1985
43 Golden Lagoon November 4, 1985
44 Quest for Survival November 5, 1985
45 The Secret of Omega Supreme November 6, 1985
46 Child's Play November 7, 1985
47 The Gambler November 11, 1985
48 The Search for Alpha Trion November 12, 1985
49 Auto-Bop November 13, 1985
50 Prime Target November 14, 1985
51 The Girl Who Loved Powerglide November 18, 1985
52 Triple Take-Over November 19, 1985
53 Sea Change November 20, 1985
54 Hoist Goes Hollywood November 21, 1985
55 The Key to Vector Sigma (Part 1) November 25, 1985
56 The Key to Vector Sigma (Part 2) November 26, 1985
57 Aerial Assault November 27, 1985
58 Masquerade November 28, 1985
59 Trans-Europe Express December 23, 1985
60 War Dawn December 25, 1985
61 Cosmic Rust December 26, 1985
62 Kremzeek! December 27, 1985
63 Starscream's Brigade January 7, 1986
64 Revenge of Bruticus January 8, 1986
65 B.O.T. January 9, 1986

Season 3 (1986-1987)
Episode Number Title Air Date
66 Five Faces of Darkness (Part 1) September 15, 1986
67 Five Faces of Darkness (Part 2) September 16, 1986
68 Five Faces of Darkness (Part 3) September 17, 1986
69 Five Faces of Darkness (Part 4) September 18, 1986
70 Five Faces of Darkness (Part 5) September 19, 1986
71 The Killing Jar September 29, 1986
72 Chaos September 30, 1986
73 Dark Awakening October 1, 1986
74 Starscream's Ghost October 2, 1986
75 Thief In the Night October 6, 1986
76 Forever Is a Long Time Coming October 7, 1986
77 Surprise Party October 8, 1986
78 Madman's Paradise October 13, 1986
79 Carnage In C-Minor October 14, 1986
80 Fight or Flee October 15, 1986
81 Webworld October 20, 1986
82 Ghost In the Machine October 21, 1986
83 The Dweller In the Depths October 30, 1986
84 Nightmare Planet October 31, 1986
85 The Ultimate Weapon November 10, 1986
86 The Quintesson Journal November 11, 1986
87 The Big Broadcast of 2006 November 12, 1986
88 Only Human November 13, 1986
89 Grimlock's New Brain November 14, 1986
90 Money Is Everything November 17, 1986
91 Call of the Primitives November 18, 1986
92 The Burden Hardest to Bear November 19, 1986
93 The Face of Nijika November 20, 1986
94 The Return of Optimus Prime (Part 1) February 24, 1987
95 The Return of Optimus Prime (Part 2) February 25, 1987

Season 4 (1987)
Episode Number Title Airdate
96 The Rebirth (Part 1) November 9, 1987
97 The Rebirth (Part 2) November 10, 1987
98 The Rebirth (Part 3) November 11, 1987

显然，这个顺序与第一个存在少许不同。制作出来的剧集有时不一定按顺序播放。

44-46集的播放顺序为：
44 Quest for Survival November 5, 1985
45 The Secret of Omega Supreme November 6, 1985
46 Child's Play November 7, 1985

对比千鹤D9铁盒的顺序：
44 Quest For Surviva 食人株
45 The Secret of Omega Supreme 大力金刚的秘密
46 Child's Play 巨人国奇遇

推测：千鹤版的剧集顺序可能由此而来。

不过，由于千鹤公司是从当年译制变形金刚上海音像馆那里购买了版权，所以有可能是按照上译版的播放顺序，而上译版TF在全国各地方电视台播放时顺序有可能存在不同，因此导致TF动画的中国版顺序更加复杂。感兴趣的怀旧人士不妨搜集一下当年各地的电视报，看看那时的播放顺序究竟是怎样。

皇者之剑 · 发表于 2006-8-2 05:17:28

TF98集在日本以Transformers: Fight! Super Robot Life 以及Transformers: 2010的名字播放时，日本方面对剧集顺序作了调整，由此产生了日版98集的顺序。具体哪两集被删除，请对日系TF有研究的迷友补充。

98集在美国播放时，也存在一定的顺序错误，导致了人物登场的逻辑错误。最显著的莫过于战车队，他们在57 Aerial Assault （ November 27, 1985）中出场，但是却在 63 Starscream's Brigade （January 7, 1986）中诞生。不少热心的美国TF迷友按照人物的出场以及片头、片尾衔接的正确逻辑关系总结出“逻辑”上正确的TF剧集顺序。这些个人制作的顺序也在网络上流传。

此外，Rhino Studio在出版数码修复版的1区TF 第一季至第四季DVD时，又将第三季的一些剧集顺序搞乱，于是又诞生了一个版本……

b-o-t · 发表于 2006-8-2 11:26:16

日本没播的是《汽车人的攻击》和《机器人时代》，有人说是出于文化意识方面的原因日本删了这两集。。。。。

JILIANGQQ · 发表于 2006-8-2 13:54:33

其实剧情之间没什么联系!怎么排都没所谓.

冰雪饿狼 · 发表于 2006-8-2 22:49:34

在此衷心感谢版主的热情回答！十分专业！帮了大忙！拜服！拜服！
其实很多剧集顺序确实无法深究，只是觉得有些人物诞生的剧集颠倒了就有些别扭了，例如战车队，另外还有
http://www.tfclub.com/tffiles/ca ... rs/200212280003.htm
中的
89 Money Is Everything 金钱万能
90 Grimlock's New Brain 聪明的钢锁
神风队的诞生就颠倒了，而千鹤D9中
89 Grimlock's New Brain 聪明的钢锁
90 Money Is Everything 金钱万能
的顺序就合理了
再一次感谢版主的帮助！！！

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