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发表于 2006-7-3 13:01:10 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式
http://www.mipang.com/spaces/1363@/blog/398.9807e57d76/


维基百科通天晓词条关于inner robot的部?
沙漠之狐  文章关于赛伯特恩
2006-05-16 11:53:18
国内的兄弟看维基有困难,特摘抄如下。

首先提到通天晓可能是擎天柱由钛师傅改装之前一起玩耍工作的好兄弟Dion

It is speculated that Ultra Magnus may have formerly been Dion, the best friend of worker robot Orion Pax, who was himself rebuilt into Optimus Prime by the ancient Autobot, Alpha Trion. Their apparent longstanding relationship, plus the similarity of Prime to Magnus's inner robot, would seem to support this idea, but it was never officially touched upon. (It is worth noting that the Autobot Ironhide is also believed by some to have once been Dion.)

引一段“擎天柱”词条里相关描述:

There's strong evidence Dion would later become Ultra Magnus. Hence his similar design to Optimus Prime as well as Prime's referral to him as old friend right before he passes in Transformers The Movie.

第二点就是通天晓在头领战士里去世时怪异之处:

Strangely, when Ultra Magnus died, his body did not turn white/grey, like all other Transformers who had died in the past (including those in the Headmasters series). One could again bring up the concept of his inner robot form, suggesting that it could have turned grey, while the outer body around it did not.

最后最后,Dreamwave Comics漫画顺水推舟,把前两点结合起来,满足TFans猜想。这里插图就是前面有人贴过的“通天晓脱衣图”

Dreamwave Productions' 21st century re-imagining of the G1 universe took the opportunity to indulge two contentious aspects of Ultra Magnus previously resigned to fan speculation: here, he was indeed proven to have formerly been Dion, and his white inner robot appeared without his blue/red outer body, due to his relationship to Optimus Prime - his "brother".

Following the disappearance of Optimus Prime and Megatron's troops four million years ago, Ultra Magnus and Fortress Maximus took fluctuating joint leadership of the Autobots, until Maximus abandoned the war. 100,000 years later, the Transformers, their war, and the entire planet of Cybertron itself ground to a halt when the world's energy supplies completely ran out, sending Cybertron into a period of reconstructive hibernation, during which the entire population was sent into stasis.

Three thousand years ago, Shockwave was the first Transformer to be reactivated, and set about restoring the planet and its populace, quietly working towards his own sinister ends. Successfully unifying the Autobot and Decepticon factions, he appointed Ultra Magnus as his second-in-command, who led the attack on the Ark when they travelled to Earth and arrested Optimus Prime and Megatron as war criminals. When Optimus Prime then led a rebel attack on Iacon, Shockwave turned on Magnus, apparently deactivating him. Ultra Magnus survived, however, and his inner robot emerged from his damaged larger form, teaming with Prime to stop Shockwave's plan to use the Matrix to access Vector Sigma.

Ultra Magnus came away from the encounter with less damage than Prime, and soon had his systems repaired. Dreamwave's bankruptcy and subsequent closure, however, meant that any further stories of Ultra Magnus went untold.

此外,在Robot In Disguise以及后续的A,E,和C系列里还提到一些和擎天柱的关系,比如合体组成Omega Prime什么的,考虑到这都是发生在跟G1平行的宇宙,就不引用了。

另,这个条目还提到通天晓玩具的历史,上来就提到inner robot

Ultra Magnus's toy consists of a smaller robot, identical to Optimus Prime but with a mostly white colouration, which acts as the cab of the car carrier and combines with the trailer to form the familiar Ultra Magnus as depicted in the cartoon and comics. The white "inner robot" would not appear in official fiction until the publication of the Dreamwave comics. Like many previous Tranformers toys, the Ultra Magnus toy was a carry-over from the Japanese Diaclone line, where was released in silver, red and black colors as "Powered Convoy," a powered-up version of "Battle Convoy," the toy which had become Optimus Prime, hence the identical cabs. Additionally, the Diaclone toy's instructions included several more alternate modes the toy could be configured into, which were omitted from Ultra Magnus's instructions. It is worth noting that Powered Convoy's original colors may have at one point been intended to be kept for the Ultra Magnus character - an early promotional film advertising Transformers: The Movie features Ultra Magnus animated in these hues. In line with this, when the original Ultra Magnus toy was re-issued in Japan in 2000, a limited-edition version in the Diaclone colors was also released, referred to as a "Movie Edition." A third version also saw release, cast entirely in translucent yellow, intended to represent the moment that Magnus is caught in the light of the Matrix.

最后讲DW正式引入inner robot后引发的重漆擎天柱玩具的浪潮,特别提到MP02

Dreamwave Productions' pioneering use of the original Magnus's white inner robot caused a small explosion of uses of the form, as several Optimus Prime products were repaints white and re-released as Ultra Magnus, including the deluxe Armada Prime toy in Transformers: Universe and Pallisades' Optimus Prime statue. The effect was also felt in Japan, where the "Smallest Transformers" Prime figure received a white coat, and most notably, the 20th Anniversay/Masterpiece Optimus Prime was redecoed and released as Ultra Magnus. 2006's upcoming reissue of the 1995 Laser Optimus Prime toy will also see an Ultra Magnus-style repaint, available exclusively through online retailer, e-Hobby.
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发表于 2006-10-1 23:48:48 | 只看该作者
Originally posted by flash2 at 2006-9-26 19:44:


日本版的DW???不是外国人画的吗?我认为通不是dion,只不过是官方在搅浑水,因为迷友们一直在猜。

非常奇异的话~~日本人不是外国人吗?(和主题无关)
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发表于 2006-9-26 21:16:45 | 只看该作者
汗,怪我没说清楚,因为我早先看的是日版,后来才看到米国版,所以说顺嘴了~
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发表于 2006-9-26 21:13:44 | 只看该作者
“日本版的DW”就是授权发行的DW漫画日语翻译版。
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-9-26 19:44:00 | 只看该作者
Originally posted by 华丽King at 2006-9-26 13:56:
在日本版的DW《G1第2部:战争与和平》里边,震荡波和母星通讯时,其部下曾经明确地有一句台词向他报告“戴安警备队有联络”,然后和他通话的便是通天晓……后来在美版中也查到了这句台词“commander,incoming sig ...


日本版的DW???不是外国人画的吗?我认为通不是dion,只不过是官方在搅浑水,因为迷友们一直在猜。
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发表于 2006-9-26 13:56:23 | 只看该作者

戴、戴安……

在日本版的DW《G1第2部:战争与和平》里边,震荡波和母星通讯时,其部下曾经明确地有一句台词向他报告“戴安警备队有联络”,然后和他通话的便是通天晓……后来在美版中也查到了这句台词“commander,incoming signal from securty team dion”,因此,这应该可以看做作者布拉德米克在暗示通天晓原先的身份。

不过话说回来,擎天柱前身奥里安派克斯的官方玩具是用杯子改的……但搭配发售的戴安的玩具竟是拿转轮改的……还真弱啊
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发表于 2006-7-10 23:02:14 | 只看该作者
晕,各位研究的真透彻啊
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发表于 2006-7-9 22:49:19 | 只看该作者
人狼,你的热情我理解,但使用翻译软件是达不到好的效果的。请不要再发了。

谢谢。
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发表于 2006-7-9 22:23:36 | 只看该作者
决定感到奇怪,并且超,マグナス(身体使没变得白色在/灰色的他的东西)喜欢所有其他的在死于了的过去死于了的(在Headmasters系列包括那些)Transformers,并且请做。当外面每那个的东西的身体不那么办的时候,人暗示那个能变成了灰色的事,能再给了他的内部的机器形式的概念。
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发表于 2006-7-9 22:22:09 | 只看该作者
日连接以后发生的事强大的证明在的ウルトラマグナス。在他在为此送交Transformers The Movie之前他到Optimus Prime的相似式样作为旧友权利与Prime同样是到他的介绍。
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发表于 2006-7-9 22:20:45 | 只看该作者
也许那个超,被推测的マグナス以前是日连接(工人机器奥利安Pax的亲密的朋友),并且被在Optimus Prime古代的Autobot(Alpha Trion.)重新制作他自己了的他们的外表的长年的关系加上到マグナス的内部的机器的Prime的类似的特征,好象支持这个思想,但是那个没被绝对正式触。(那个值得注意是否Autobot Ironhide被几岁是被有以前是日连接感觉对的点数。)
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发表于 2006-7-9 22:14:28 | 只看该作者
Transformers: Universe
这两个单词合起来看,指宇宙系列TF玩具。

Pallisades' Optimus Prime

Pallisade公司生产的Optimus Prime塑像。
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发表于 2006-7-9 21:04:45 | 只看该作者
輸入法的原因,我改了一點。另外還有些東西我也不知道是甚麽來歷,比如Universe and Pallisades' Optimus Prime
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发表于 2006-7-9 17:23:44 | 只看该作者
繁体看的真累啊.................还有几个错别字......................不过还是很感谢
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-7-5 12:17:00 | 只看该作者
非常感谢!!!
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